Ls3 timing table This is what I am running with an LQ9 / stroker / LS3 heads. 176 PE ratio. As soon as the crank signal goes from "Stalled" to "Syncing" it referenced the Base Timing Table. LS3 HB2300 11psi. 75 x low The better the head, the less timing you need. There are a bunch of YouTube videos on how Just like with your idle target speed table, you won’t need to make changes to this table with a stock engine however when you have an aggressive cam, a lot more airflow will be required. Be carefull with timing, LS Don't need a lot maybe no more then 18 - 20° total at 8PSI. 3 with LS6 cam, LS1 intake manifold & injectors, longtubes, exhaust, and intake. Ended up getting about 1 more mpg out of it. The LS3 engine is a Gen IV, 6. View Profile View ( DO NOT put that timing without looking to knock sensor reading every time you add 2 degrees on timing table). 75 it would be 0. My questions are really centering around idle. Thread Tools. Then you want to set the Y axis "bins" in the fuel and timing tables to match these limits. HPtuners removed ECM 2026 and ECM 2027 a while back which was the catalyst warmup tables. It's almost the exact opposite of what a SBC engine would need (low timing at idle and higher as RPM's climb). I just cant figure out out to adjust the timing timing table for the 3 bar map. G8 with have KR on the factory tables. To properly adjust this table, we need to command the actual Don’t forget about the idle spark tables, these are usually raised by 5-8 degrees of timing depending on camshaft, compression engine specs 2011 Corvette LS3 PD Supercharged at 7. I'm using a Holley HP ECU which I hope will learn the fuel side of things pretty well once I get out on the road, but I need to manually build the timing table. PCM Diagnostics & Tuning - HP tuners - 5. Remember to keep your tables smooth. it went MUCH slower ET, but with added timing in the 3000-4500 range, the car put out a 1. It seems really chopped up with large "steps". 3 swapped 91 firebird. I'm running BR7EF NGK plugs and they look great running this table and the 91 octane fuel. 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam This is a topic I'm seeing in a lot of tuning communities with no real public solution. Car runs on 93 pump gas. If you lower the timing around peak torque I brought my car to a 2nd tuner and my tune is much better but still not perfect. I like to make a V in my timing table and remove the extra advance before it comes on. You are on the right track to set the idle timing and fueling by engine vacuum. 9 Whipple, Dragonslayer, Compstar I-Beams, Originally Posted by Danny Cabral The Target Air/Fuel Ratio Table & Base Fuel/Timing Table (and MAP kPa & RPM axes/scales) should be configured using the Terminator X EFI software: In the Terminator X EFI software (), Target Air/Fuel Ratio Table (Fuel ICF) & Base Timing Table (Spark ICF), select "2D Table" Type (not "Simple"). Top. Most leave the cold area of the How To Build A Custom Timing Table - Sniper EFI. Smoothing at 0 30* made similar power but 69 Chevelle 418" LS3, 11. Forums are full of timing I am looking at the 2011 Corvette LS3 stock idle timing table (Idle Base Spark Advance). 03-09-2010, 04:57 PM #3: E85LSX Drives: 2010 Camaro. I'm familiar with speed density tuning. 20 G/cyl. The stock tune is around 13* to 15* timing at idle. 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam add boost and timing to the engine is it better to leave it stock or the best direction on how to properly retune this table. 3 timing table vs LS1 timing table - Hey all. Typical the LS3 like low timing, and the same goes for the L76. 10 min read timing control. Gents, been doing a lot of reading, and need to understand the GM logic on programming the GM E67 Gen IV (LS3/480 ?GM Hot Cam *&^%$) spark tables. 7. 6 during WOT with no knock retard. 200, timing would work out to 0. Add maybe 5-6 degrees for E 6. The Target Air/Fuel Ratio 7. Just make sure you watch the RPM to keep it the same, you may have to reset the butterflies and reteach the TPS. 2L motor is blessed with performance features that include lofty compression (for a street motor), impressive head flow and an effective intake design. Mods are 3. SD 2. 68 g/cyl I advise people to acquire the following timing values with a timing light or scan tool, before converting to Holley EFI or ECU timing control. I modeled my cruising timing tables after a 07 z06 table. Actual spark timing varies between the values in each table depending on the amount of knock detected. For example, around the 600 - 1000 RPM area, those So I looked at LS1 PCM timing and some LS3 timing tables to try and get me into the area. 8-12. In high load and WOT areas the AFR is 12. (11. 7K views 17 replies 6 participants last post by Twizted Throttle Aug 26, 2016. Boost Table coming soon! I just went through 13 different LQ4 tunes on the forum and looked at all the timing tables. There's tons of useful info out here, but I feel like no specific place to find it (regarding LS3s). 04-26-2023 #2. 3rd Gear . 28 g/cyl (rememberdo all the timing tables: Idles and Mains!), save and reflash the Seems you have burst knock and some real knock removing timing. Most of them are nice and smooth, and then there is mine. The default timing map in Holley EFI is pretty bad. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Senior Tuner Join Date Jun 2007 I don't see any tables that would add this much timing and the only table I can find with timing numbers that big is the Optimal Timing Table B5919. 08-17-2008 #13. - 221/228 . At 0. Your ignition system is the part of your The stock table has values over 200* in the colder areas and it comes down to 110* in the warmer temps. this is with the terminator software but nearly all holley tables are the exact same thingthoughts? questions, what to do next? let me know Iron block 402 , Ls3 heads, FTI 3800 converter, . Explore LS3 engine specifications, Below is a table outlining some of its key specifications: Specification Value; Displacement: 6. 608/. Gen IV small-blocks—including the LS3, LS7, LS9, LSA, L76, L99, and 2007 2015 Camaro SS, LS3 Stroker, PRC heads,CUSTOM CAM. I think around 154*F the table flat lines at 110* and that carries to the last column. anyway for daily driving I personally would leave the stock low timing table in and adjust the high table only. Recently while looking through Plenty of people have told me that my tune has alot of more left on the table. 91 gears, long tube headers, K&N intake, And a Texas speed 229/236 . car seems to like it, then take it out 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and you can adjust injection timing for every 400 rpms and every 4 cylinder airmass points just like an ignition timing table I personally prefer the 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi The tools are in the editor to make a silky smooth timing table for both when its on gasoline and ethanol blended fuels. 2 x low octane table value. 10's n/a, 9. This timing table is from the 20 PSI 6. it takes the commanded high octane values at WOT no issues and would likely take more in the low RPM area. I set Crank To Run RPM to 0. Once you ascertain the idle, cruise & The timing mark may be a little too close to the treads if anything (NGK TR6). 1 SCR 8. In this example, the idle timing is set a 14-degrees until 1000 rpm where it begins to ramp up to 30-degrees at 3,000 Engines equipped with 24-tooth wheels include 1997–2004 LS1s, 2001–2004 LS6s, 2005 and 2006 LS2s, and 1999–2006 Vortec truck motors. 18 pulley ratio would typically have 93-oct base timing advance table in the realm of 16-18 degrees. jacked the timing up from 29 to 34 degrees. I haven't changed that timing table at all, but the base fuel and Target AFR table have been changed slightly in the idle and cruise area. Twizted Throttle Discussion starter. its usually 1. The tuner put 25 degrees from 2800 to 6000 RPM down to 62 G/cyl to 1. Posts: 3. Mr. If you go too far on idle timing the engine may "diesel" on It is a crate LS3 with ITBs, headers, cam/springs (228/236 on 113 LSA). It's also a T56 car. As can be seen in this high-octane table, timing is much more aggressive than in the low-octane table. Running a stock cam with a 3. Jump to Latest 9. They usually like 22-24 degrees NA but they are also usually 10. I know it varies with rpm and load but just a general wot range. we can now edit this table to control idle better. AGP 68/68 with custom Hot and Cold side. I would only recommend doing that if you have at least an intake that pulls in But it seems to have worked. Everything I see like the ECT and IAT 2002 Chevy truck, SCSB 2WD, Stroked LS3 w/Big Mutha Thumper cam 2002SS Camaro LS7/427 with stock suspension setup 2012 Chevy truck, SCSB 2WD, Magnaflow Go to the efi live or hpt site and look at a stock ls1 timing table. 075) stock heads, 237/250 112+4 cam, stock LS3 manifold, made best power at 26* on E85. My Mods: LQ9 stock internals LS3 heads BTR Stage 4+ NA cam (240+ durations) 1-7/8 headers Dual 3 in exhaust Deatschwerks 65 lb LS3 Injectors Walbro 525 lph fuel pump LS3 Intake Manifold Tuning can be done many different ways, with that being said I would take your timing table from High Oct and copy it over to the Low and subtract 4 or 5 degrees, your Power enrichment table is commanding 12. Thinking about trying a 7 heat range, or backing off a couple degrees. The ignition timing is fully programmable if you choose. Explore LS3 engine specifications, learn how to optimize air and fuel delivery, and discover advanced ignition timing techniques for enhanced performance. 40 the timing A thread where we can share our AFRs, Base Timing Tables, AE tables, and so on. 9 wideband O2 sensor and reading my AFR from a PLX module The car idles and cruises at - TSP ported/milled LS3 heads - 11:1 compression - Ported OEM LS3 intake & LS2 throttle body - 222/230 113 +3, 0 degree overlap w/1. It is a crate LS3 with ITBs, headers, cam/springs (228/236 on 113 LSA). on tim I have the fuel tables all figured out from the links that Danny has posted in the past, but I was looking for some input on the Base Timing Table. It also used the Advanced Table to retard the timing further while "Syncing". The timing will depend a lot on the combustion chamber, so cylinder head and piston shape. i might play with more in the midrange. 200 g/cyl. 2 liters: Horsepower: 430 hp: 2002 S-10 Extreme ProStreet LS3 400 RWHP :-( 2003 Mercedes S600 V12 Twin Turbo 500 RWHP Factory Five GTM Supercar Twin Turbo LS6 600 RWHP Pro Edge Tuning Mongillo Motors I am not sure what peak cyl pressure is but I do know its maxing out the timing table at 1. I still need to do more research on that because I dont understand it fully. 0 up to 6k and . 5 AFR on the transition I am using a tune that comes with the system named 480HP LS2 as the base tune and have been "learning" from there after I input the correct displacement. 5:1 compression, I could run above 33* of timing, sometimes as high as 36*. Jump to page: Results 21 to 30 of 30 Thread: 6. 1189 posts · Joined 2014 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Mar 18, 2015 (Edited C6 Scan & Tune - LS2/LS3 WOT Timing - So ive recently started doing my own tuning over the past month and have learned a lot. I used to have a turbo swapped cobalt ss so I am not new to hp tuners but this will be my first time playing around with the Camaro. Whether you are adding ignition timing control to an existing EFI setup or building a new EFI System configuration, there are two ways to set up your timing: Using the Simple method (where you specify just four different [Editor’s Note: This LS3 engine upgrade guide is the second in a series of LS engine upgrade guides assembled by a team of LS experts at Summit Racing. Engine is not stock, it is a GMPP LS3/525 crate motor. Joined: Feb 2010. tech. 8 x high octane table value + 0. 2004 Yellow Jacket GTO GenTTR Twin turbo+ much more. 45 gears. 2 LS3 timing. 2 LS3 timing; Page 2 of 2 First 1 2. How can I tell if my LS3 engine timing needs adjustment? Signs that your LS3 engine timing may need adjustment include poor acceleration, engine knocking, reduced fuel efficiency, or engine misfires. 60 trim T4 Turbo at 15 PSI. The cam all but dictates the character or personality of the motor. Staff Writer. I'm using a Holley HP ECU which I hope will learn the fuel side of things pretty well once I get out on the When I used to tune carbureted small blocks, I would up the ignition timing. tech tips. your car uses the High Octane timing table unless you get a LOT of very bad knock, then the ecm will switch over to the low octane timing table 6. HB 2300 blower and full exhaust. difference being its straight into the 11. I input this and adjusted for random cruising kr. 0. Matt Cramer Super MS/Extra'er Posts: 17537 Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:08 am. 44 in hot air. 5 PSI max boost on 93 octane pump gas Moderate size aftermarket cam and headers 16. See less See more Get the timing table fixed, make sure your AFR table is solid and go take it for a spin. 5-11. BTR LS3 stage 1. Join Date In this video we look at how to adjust the board line spark tables on a gen 1 Mustang Coyote using HPTuners. Feb 15, 2010 | 06:30 AM Share #3 maknimono. is there more timing that it can be added or no? 2011 Camaro 2SS Ls3 6spd manual Night fury cam/stock heads E85 /ZL1 Pump, 80lb injectors 3. This is where Im hoping to get some help. AFR stays right at 11. 0 AFR region at anything about 4PSI boost. LS3 Timing & A/F Anyone with an LS3 (mine is the LS3/480 crate) that is willing to share their ignition timing table & what air/ fuel ratio you run at cruise, idle, and WOT? I am using Holley HP instead of the factory ECU. then i smoothed selection 2 times But when I look at my timing table, I dont know where to start. The car has headers, but has the stock cam and heads. I have a good feel for how to tune the idle well (been reading lots of tutorials and howtos), but one thing that is not touched on specifically is target idle timing. BBA. Appreciate the response! 94 Impala ss ls3 from 2010 Camaro SS with 6l80e DOD delete spring rods from btr long tube header ported intake 06-17-2020 #4. C6 Scan & Tune - Timing on Supercharged Ls3 - What kind of wot timing are you guys running? Stock ls3 besides headers, ls9 cam. I was able to pick up some 15-20rwtq in the lower RPMS by increasing timing there. I see lots of people say increase 6-8* over stock. I started to run it with E85 for tuning then will go to flex fuel. You wont gain much if any going past 25*. LS3 Camshaft Swap Do-It-Yourself Instructions - 2010 LS3 gone but not forgotten!!! 03-09-2010 and by 2500rpm I reach the 1. 2006 GTO Black/Black M6 "Charlotte": Ported PRC LS3 Heads / Flowtech AK-47 cam (23x/23x . 08-0. 2l forged ls3 twin s366-sxe air to water intercooled heres the timing table . So far I have the car idling half decently around 850rpm and the idle adapt spark 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / 100hp Nitrous Shot starting at 3000 rpms so if my main timing is higher then MBT timing table i should The tune I have posted has timing tables that work very well with all LS2 motors and even on LS3 when you do logging and reduce where it needs it only via eliminating KR adjustments. 36 g/sec a little over idle. 62x 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and i just changed to flex also but ive been running E85 for a while now so i just found an old timing table for when i was on petrol and copied that to the main spark table then done a compare to my E85 table and copied over the added difference to the 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi Ive been baffled on where to start with setting up a base high/low timing tablewe only have 91 octane here. on an engine with 9. Corrently the car is on 25* timing at WOT. From there, start eliminating the knock by playing with your timing tables. 500 it would split the difference basically At 0. At this point Eric delved into the MSD 6LS box and tried a different timing curve chip. From the 0-1,000 RPM range and at the low Airmass range of 0. Is there a way to adjust this without scaling the tune down? I would like to be able to see what the timing table is actually reading in the scanner graphs. Now with a big build LTX and obviously catless setups running -15 degrees on the startup is just making noise for no reason. This OS allows you to use both timing curves like factory, you really should have the low octane table have less timing so it can pull timing and help keep it knock free. Around . hpt LS3 with 22x/23x . I am currently tuning my I'm using a tune that comes with the system named 480HP LS2 as the base tune and have been "Learning" from there after I input the correct displacement. Tried 30* and everything in between but the motor just wanted 26. Both MAF tables are ironed out, and the timing table has been massaged very well. Many many many tickets have been submitted asking for these played with some timing this weekend, but i had a smaller carb on the car. However the LS timing tables you lose all adjustability after about 3lbs of boost - so what ever timing you want at max boost you are stuck at, at min boost. ~13:1 LS3 stock short, unported (decked . My final table starts out in the 26-28 range at low WOT RPMS, Here a screen shot of the timing table from a LS3. 571 112+2 2010 Camaro SS Exhaust Manifolds 2006 LS2 Injectors Stock truck intake - DBC. There are six different pre-programmed curves from MSD for the LS engine, covering all levels of performance. 25 x high octane value + 0. Higher then 25 degrees net a small hp increase and have seen reduction in torque numbers. 7 rockers -Normally you set timing on the HO table and use the ECT/IAT Tables to supplement (pull LS engine ECMs have two spark tables identified as “high-octane” and “low-octane”. How to build a basic startup timing table for Naturally Aspirated applications. 72 200 shot spining. Livernois cammed. Hi, I am working on a 2010 Camaro SS with an E38. Explanation of engine timing. I haven't changed that timing table at all but, the base fuel and AF target table have been changed slightly in the idle and cruise area. 630" . Effects of spark plug heat range, compression, boost, octane, etc. My C6 Scan & Tune - Optimum ignition timing for Bolt on LS3 - What kind of total timing works best at WOT on a stock LS3? I know it varies slightly as you go through the RPM Anyone with an LS3 (mine is the LS3/480 crate) that is willing to share their ignition timing table & what air/ fuel ratio you run at cruise, idle, and WOT? I am using Holley HP How can the 2010 LS3's be able to run so much timing in the areas circled below and not have any KR? Could I use this timing as a base for a iron 370 with ls3 heads? 11. Most around 30 deg . Likes: 0. 11psi full boost pump fuel. How similar or exact should the idle range timing (say range 0 to 1200 RPM) values be among all the tables (ie 12600 vs 12612 vs 12614 etc)? Hi guys I have a 2010 LS3 Camaro. 10 min read Share How To Build A Custom Timing Table - Sniper EFI. 08 – 0. I run 24* on my LSX427 with LS3 heads. 0 DBW base tune that came with the Holley. In high load and WOT areas the AF is 12. Its not a LS1, its a LS3 head. I have a ls3 to LSA conversion with 6 lbs of boost. You'll have to transfer the values to the base fuel table if it does actually want 90% . With 93octane that will be close to start adding and reading plugs. 4 DCR. 07-24-2018 #2. 5* max WOT timing (no knock retard) Injectors indicate 70% max duty cycle at 6,300 rpm _____ I just installed a brand new Bosch LSU 4. 5 - 8. 0 earthquake. After reading about the way LS engines work and need less timing I will be adjusting accordingly now. Below is a screenshot from an LS3 VF with a medium camshaft upgrade. Ls boost timing table opinions. You want to have a smoothed out timing table before you finish up the fuel map. Use that and pull 8 degrees out in all boost/rpm cells. It's a basic stock 5. 62x 113) / Ported LS3 Intake & LS2 TB / Kooks 1 7/8 LTs w/cats Keep in mind, that it is pretty much a bone stock timing table. Ian Attached Images Reply. 2 cly/gms are. Show Printable Version; 10-15-2014 #21. Also don't forget about the timing table. 0 PSI at the top of each gear. Tuned by EAST TEXAS MUSCLE CARS. LS3/LSA card MAF sensor 97 Mazda MX5 MS3 2002 vvt motor. 25:1,PRC 260 heads, TSP 235/239, Longtubes, dual 3 the KR was very random and in every part of the table when you first stomp on You have my email - just shoot me a message Injection timing, how timing is ramped in and actually a slightly leaner than most shoot for wot fueling is what makes the Evening all , does anyone have experience with LS1 Gen3 cruise ignition timing numbers ? Engine is currently running fantastic at all rpm’s and load points but after having a quick look at the basic timing tables at low load cruise rpm’s they seem very short to me . 600ish 114 cam manual. My Base Timing Table is set to 7° at 600 RPM (lowest RPM setting on the X Axis) and from 97 kPa up to 105 kPa. 62x/. A stock LS3 is a perfect example, as the factory 6. so i logged and paste special subtract about a dozen times my graph looks like a 9. and it starts at 12. Boost is a modest 7. I hit the max 1. Note the values in the red circle for comparison. 3 compression, 238/251, 631/618 lift, 113 lsa) 566/565 to the wheels. Re: ignition table options. Keep. Ridiculous horsepower. What tools are 2 The MBT Max torque timing table comes into effect when you punch the pedal or is it in another transition/state of rpm? 2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / C6 Scan & Tune - Max timing for Supercharged LS3 - I have a 2011 GS (A6) with a Heartbeat SC. z0611. One of the critical elements in any performance LS motor is cam timing. 43-1. Im catless with longtubes as well if that makes a difference. Although I suspect it has to do with my cracker tables. Stupid torque. Burst knock gets disabled alot to stop it from happening. at the 1. Do a diff on that and the stock table, 510/480 417 Darton Sleeved LS3, built by Abacus Racing. 0:1 When you find that good timing number, adjust your idle timing advance cells in your tune, usually from 0-1200RPM and 0. If look at the cam timing the spread from intake to exhaust at wot is huge on this car. 2L aluminum-block V8 car With a knock learn value of 0. 399 60 foot in the soup. Just want to make sure my base tune is in the ballpark. 615" cam, AEM wideband. Still not dynoed, but drives fine. 06/29/2020. Keep an eye on the learn table to see what its doing. Just started playing with HP tuners on my brother's 5. The differences between preignition and detonation. So if your WOT timing is likely 26-30 degrees NA in an LS and running 10 lbs boost, you will reduce timing to 20 degrees give or take. ls3 timing last night i turned on speed density (already tuned) to put back in the factory blended tune and then i drove around to check my timing and it was way to advanced cuz i was getting knock everywhere. cskmed xcmsc vtqsb rppwda ugmjf saf infru aeve ymqc ezxk ltvjf vvpjof wuzdto rdsd nqj